Farabee — , pioneer in mental health Ralph Feigin — , pediatrician, writer, educator, hospital administrator Leroy S. I do recall that correct as I was on verge of getting a pay raise within a week or two when he declared wage freeze to last a year along with price freezes also. Prepare with barbed wire as tangle foot and rebar metal spikes, and creating obstacles to make it hard to even get to your front door. In either model, the second effect then follows from the first — either too little confidence forcing an increase in the money supply, or too much money destroying confidence. Enactment of price controls to prevent discounting the value of paper money relative to gold, silver, hard currency, or commodities, fail to force acceptance of a paper money which lacks intrinsic value.
I have been to Hell. It looks a lot like NYC. At night the lights of the myriad souls look beautiful in the dark. During the Day, with the crystal white light of the Son, you can see the filth, garbage, and vermin. BarnCat I think your right, but your numbers are vague. I personally hope it happens in winter.
MY kids are hungry.. In economics, hyperinflation occurs when a country experiences very high and usually accelerating rates of monetary and price inflation, causing the population to minimize their holdings of money. Under such conditions, the general price level within an economy increases rapidly as the official currency quickly loses real value.
Unlike regular inflation, where the process of rising prices is protracted and not generally noticeable except by studying past market prices, hyperinflation sees a rapid and continuing increase in prices and in the supply of money, and the cost of goods.
Hyperinflation is often associated with wars, their aftermath, sociopolitical upheavals, or other crises that make it difficult for the government to tax the population, as a sudden and sharp decrease in tax revenue coupled with a strong effort to maintain the status quo can be a direct trigger of hyperinflation. In , Phillip Cagan wrote The Monetary Dynamics of Hyperinflation, generally regarded as the first serious study of hyperinflation and its effects.
Instead, it lists factors that indicate the existence of hyperinflation: Amounts of local currency held are immediately invested to maintain purchasing power The general population regards monetary amounts not in terms of the local currency but in terms of a relatively stable foreign currency. Money Supply This theory claims that hyperinflation occurs when there is a continuing and often accelerating rapid increase in the amount of money that is not supported by a corresponding growth in the output of goods and services.
The price increases that result from the rapid money creation creates a vicious circle, requiring ever growing amounts of new money creation to fund government activities. Hence both monetary inflation and price inflation proceed at a rapid pace. Such rapidly increasing prices cause widespread unwillingness of the local population to hold the local currency as it rapidly loses its buying power.
Instead they quickly spend any money they receive, which increases the velocity of money flow; this in turn causes further acceleration in prices. Very high inflation rates can result in a loss of confidence in the currency, similar to a bank run.
Usually, the excessive money supply growth results from the government being either unable or unwilling to fully finance the government budget through taxation or borrowing, and instead it finances the government budget deficit through the printing of money. Inflation is effectively a regressive tax on the users of money, but less overt than levied taxes and is therefore harder to understand by ordinary citizens.
Inflation can obscure quantitative assessments of the true cost of living, as published price indices only look at data in retrospect, so may increase only months later. Monetary inflation can become hyperinflation if monetary authorities fail to fund increasing government expenses from taxes, government debt, cost cutting, or by other means, because either during the time between recording or levying taxable transactions and collecting the taxes due, the value of the taxes collected falls in real value to a small fraction of the original taxes receivable; or government debt issues fail to find buyers except at very deep discounts; or a combination of the above.
Theories of hyperinflation generally look for a relationship between seigniorage and the inflation tax. Thus when fiat money is printed, government obligations that are not denominated in money increase in cost by more than the value of the money created. From this, it might be wondered why any rational government would engage in actions that cause or continue hyperinflation.
One reason for such actions is that often the alternative to hyperinflation is either depression or military defeat. The root cause is a matter of more dispute. In both classical economics and monetarism, it is always the result of the monetary authority irresponsibly borrowing money to pay all its expenses. These models focus on the unrestrained seigniorage of the monetary authority, and the gains from the inflation tax. The price of gold in Germany, 1 January — 30 November Note that the vertical scale is logarithmic.
In neo-classical economic theory, hyperinflation is rooted in a deterioration of the monetary base, that is the confidence that there is a store of value which the currency will be able to command later.
In this model, the perceived risk of holding currency rises dramatically, and sellers demand increasingly high premiums to accept the currency. This in turn leads to a greater fear that the currency will collapse, causing even higher premiums. One example of this is during periods of warfare, civil war, or intense internal conflict of other kinds: Expenses cannot be cut significantly since the main outlay is armaments.
Further, a civil war may make it difficult to raise taxes or to collect existing taxes. While in peacetime the deficit is financed by selling bonds, during a war it is typically difficult and expensive to borrow, especially if the war is going poorly for the government in question.
The hyperinflation under the Chinese Nationalists from to is a classic example of a government printing money to pay civil war costs. By the end, currency was flown in over the Himalayas, and then old currency was flown out to be destroyed. Hyperinflation is regarded as a complex phenomenon and one explanation may not be applicable to all cases. However, in both of these models, whether loss of confidence comes first, or central bank seigniorage, the other phase is ignited.
The transformation of an inflationary development into the hyperinflation has to be identified as a very complex phenomenon, which could be a further advanced research avenue of the complexity economics in conjunction with research areas like mass hysteria, bandwagon effect, social brain and mirror neurons.
Economists see both a rapid increase in the money supply and an increase in the velocity of money if the monetary inflating is not stopped. Either one, or both of these together are the root causes of inflation and hyperinflation. In either model, the second effect then follows from the first — either too little confidence forcing an increase in the money supply, or too much money destroying confidence.
In the confidence model, some event, or series of events, such as defeats in battle, or a run on stocks of the specie which back a currency, removes the belief that the authority issuing the money will remain solvent — whether a bank or a government. Because people do not want to hold notes which may become valueless, they want to spend them.
Sellers, realizing that there is a higher risk for the currency, demand a greater and greater premium over the original value. Under this model, the method of ending hyperinflation is to change the backing of the currency, often by issuing a completely new one. In this view, the increase in the circulating medium is the result of the government attempting to buy time without coming to terms with the root cause of the lack of confidence itself. In the monetary model, hyperinflation is a positive feedback cycle of rapid monetary expansion.
It has the same cause as all other inflation: The issuer must then accelerate its expansion to cover these prices, which pushes the currency value down even faster than before. Unfortunately, the end of expansion can cause a severe financial shock to those using the currency as expectations are suddenly adjusted. This policy, combined with reductions of pensions, wages, and government outlays, formed part of the Washington consensus of the s. Whatever the cause, hyperinflation involves both the supply and velocity of money.
Which comes first is a matter of debate, and there may be no universal story that applies to all cases. But once the hyperinflation is established, the pattern of increasing the money stock, by whichever agencies are allowed to do so, is universal.
Because this practice increases the supply of currency without any matching increase in demand for it, the price of the currency, that is the exchange rate, naturally falls relative to other currencies.
Inflation becomes hyperinflation when the increase in money supply turns specific areas of pricing power into a general frenzy of spending quickly before money becomes worthless. The purchasing power of the currency drops so rapidly that holding cash for even a day is an unacceptable loss of purchasing power. As a result, no one holds currency, which increases the velocity of money, and worsens the crisis.
Because rapidly rising prices undermine the role of money as a store of value, people try to spend it on real goods or services as quickly as possible.
Thus, the monetary model predicts that the velocity of money will increase as a result of an excessive increase in the money supply. At the point when money velocity and prices rapidly accelerate in a vicious circle, hyperinflation is out of control, because ordinary policy mechanisms, such as increasing reserve requirements, raising interest rates, or cutting government spending will be ineffective and be responded to by shifting away from the rapidly devalued money and towards other means of exchange.
During a period of hyperinflation, bank runs, loans for hour periods, switching to alternate currencies, the return to use of gold or silver or even barter become common. Many of the people who hoard gold today expect hyperinflation, and are hedging against it by holding specie. This is sometimes met with capital controls, an idea which has swung from standard, to anathema, and back into semi-respectability. This is also part of the vicious circle of hyperinflation. Once the vicious circle of hyperinflation has been ignited, dramatic policy means are almost always required.
Simply raising interest rates is insufficient. The government raised the price of gasoline, which it had been selling at a huge loss to quiet popular discontent, and the hyperinflation came to a halt almost immediately, since it was able to bring in hard currency by selling its oil abroad. The crisis of confidence ended, and people returned deposits to banks. The German hyperinflation November was ended by producing a currency based on assets loaned against by banks, called the Rentenmark.
Hyperinflation often ends when a civil conflict ends with one side winning. Although wage and price controls are sometimes used to control or prevent inflation, no episode of hyperinflation has been ended by the use of price controls alone, because price controls that force merchants to sell at prices far below their restocking costs result in shortages that cause prices to rise still further. Hyperinflation effectively wipes out the purchasing power of private and public savings, distorts the economy in favor of the hoarding of real assets, causes the monetary base, whether specie or hard currency, to flee the country, and makes the afflicted area anathema to investment.
Enactment of price controls to prevent discounting the value of paper money relative to gold, silver, hard currency, or commodities, fail to force acceptance of a paper money which lacks intrinsic value. If the entity responsible for printing a currency promotes excessive money printing, with other factors contributing a reinforcing effect, hyperinflation usually continues.
Hyperinflation is generally associated with paper money, which can easily be used to increase the money supply: Much attention on hyperinflation centers on the effect on savers whose investment becomes worthless.
Academic economists seem not to have devoted much study on the positive effect on debtors. By contrast, incurring large or long-term debts though sometimes unavoidable is viewed as often resulting from irresponsibility or self-indulgence. In interwar Germany, for example, much private and corporate debt was effectively wiped out; certainly for those holding fixed interest rate loans. Aftermath Hyperinflation is ended with drastic remedies, such as imposing the shock therapy of slashing government expenditures or altering the currency basis.
One form this may take is dollarization, the use of a foreign currency not necessarily the U. Hyperinflation has always been a traumatic experience for the area which suffers it, and the next policy regime almost always enacts policies to prevent its recurrence.
Often this means making the central bank very aggressive about maintaining price stability, as was the case with the German Bundesbank or moving to some hard basis of currency such as a currency board. Many governments have enacted extremely stiff wage and price controls in the wake of hyperinflation but this does not prevent further inflating of the money supply by its central bank, and always leads to widespread shortages of consumer goods if the controls are rigidly enforced.
In countries experiencing hyperinflation, the central bank often prints money in larger and larger denominations as the smaller denomination notes become worthless. This can result in the production of some interesting banknotes, including those denominated in amounts of 1,,, or more. By late , the Weimar Republic of Germany was issuing two-trillion Mark banknotes and postage stamps with a face value of fifty billion Mark. One of the firms printing these notes submitted an invoice for the work to the Reichsbank for 32,,,,,, There was even a banknote worth 10 times more, i.
This makes the ,,,, Zimbabwean dollar banknotes the note with the greatest number of zeros shown. While this does not lessen the actual value of a currency, it is called redenomination or revaluation and also happens over time in countries with standard inflation levels. During hyperinflation, currency inflation happens so quickly that bills reach large numbers before revaluation. Some banknotes were stamped to indicate changes of denomination.
This is because it would take too long to print new notes. By the time new notes were printed, they would be obsolete that is, they would be of too low a denomination to be useful. Metallic coins were rapid casualties of hyperinflation, as the scrap value of metal enormously exceeded the face value.
Massive amounts of coinage were melted down, usually illicitly, and exported for hard currency. Governments will often try to disguise the true rate of inflation through a variety of techniques.
None of these actions address the root causes of inflation and if discovered, they tend to further undermine trust in the currency, causing further increases in inflation. Price controls will generally result in shortages and hoarding and extremely high demand for the controlled goods, causing disruptions of supply chains. There are also issues with computerized money-handling systems. In Zimbabwe, during the hyperinflation of the Zimbabwe dollar, many automated teller machines and payment card machines struggled with arithmetic overflow errors as customers required many billions and trillions of dollars at one time.
Holy crap, Barn pusseyCat, how about just summarizing all that instead of copy-paste the whole damn thing? Just saying that if someone cannot read words, but need only words, what have we become? I know that short paragraphs get to the masses, but what was the Constitution? Im sure comments means a paragraph or 2, not a hardback book like you wrote….
In your defence, it was well written and free. Coal production in Britain peaked in World War I began the very next year. This is also around the time that the Federal Reserve was created and the US went mostly off the gold standard. Coal production in Britain decreased rapidly again in the late s after coal miners went on strike due to long hours and brutal work conditions.
Only a few years later the world was sliding towards economic depression. In US oil production came to a peak and began to decline. The following decade saw two energy crises and extreme economic stagflation.
This is also the time when the US went off the gold standard completely. In oil production in the Soviet Union peaked and began to decline. By , after political and economic collapse, the country became the Former Soviet Union.
In Argentine oil production peaked and began to decline. In the country experienced a violent economic and political collapse. In UK North Sea oil production peaked and began a sharp decline. In global conventional crude oil production peaked led by Mexico and began to decline. According to the press none of that matters now because of the newly profitable oil resources in Texas and North Dakota. The one in North Dakota is called The Bakken and is said to contain about ,,, barrels of oil or more.
That is enough to keep the US economy running for 24 years at current rates of consumption. If we do some math here we can calculate that we will need to drill 1,, wells to reach that target. So now we ask more questions. If we do the math at this point we realize that we can only fit 58, tight oil wells in The Bakken.
If each of those wells produces the average then we can expect no more than 39,,, barrels of oil. How long does it take for the world to consume 39,,, barrels of oil?
To get off on the right foot, I called earthcare farms for their raised bed compost which contains fish guts, seashells and regular organic compost.
Universe…Since you are so good at research and math no sarc what is the amount in cubic yards or miles that we removed from underground? At first a good amount of the resources that came up out of the ground did so under their own pressure but this is mostly a thing of the past other than in a few of the newer deep sea wells. At this point aside from the tight oil most of the volume of oil removed from the ground is replaced with salt water. It is hard to link the geologic disturbances in drilling areas with the actual drilling activity but common sense tends to lead one to that conclusion.
You act as if the entire worlds oil usage is only derived from bakkan oil wells. Oil did not come from dinosaures, its from enzymes deep in earth that eat carbon, and put out oil. Its never going to run out. Its an ongoing process like air we breath keeps being replaced with more by green plants life etc….
Global warming-Peak oil-Population bomb explosion-etc etc are ALL from same group of new ager whacko lib kommies. I recall back when alaska pipeline was being boo hooed as a huge waste as oil is going to Last Just 6 months long and pipeline will remain off-line after 6 months time.. Alaska pipeline will kill off and devestate all large animals…etc etc etc…Gee today there are way More caribou, Polar bears 6 times as many polar bears as when libs cried extiction asap if they dont do something!
Well alaskas pipeline has continued to funnel oil 45 yrs and never yet stopped flowing oil…yet where are all them new ager earth worshippers and nay sayers to appoligize for being so wrong?
Oh yeh kommie libs suffer from mental derangements that wont let libs ever admit when wrong! They just find another issue or thing to whine or cry about…. I definitely did refer to ALL conventional oil wells in ALL nations when I mentioned the verifiable fact that conventional crude oil production had already peaked and is now declining.
This is a fact despite whatever huge oil discoveries you claim have happened in the last few years. It is important to note that oil is a global commodity which is why I use global consumption rates in the comparison. For example, the US consumes more oil in one hour than a Bakken or Eagle Ford well will produce in its 45 year lifetime. The second, if you followed the logic, dealt with how much oil the entire play will produce if my math holds.
The first deals with a single well. Them Guys DID address the evidence. His very first sentence annihilated your entire lame excuse for an argument. It was a conclusion. And a valid one. Any logic, science or reason that implicates fossil fuels as a bad guy in any way is immediately considered lies. If we assume that I was wrong and that the Bakken could potentially produce DOUBLE the number I estimated above then the entire play would keep the US running for 14 years at current rates of consumption.
If the actual is closer to my estimate than the lifetime production from that one play would last no more than 7 years. Yes if the US had to rely upon just that resource then yes it would, by my calculations, last no more than 7 years.
Except that you listed 5 different peaks and we still have oil. There is a peak of production in every natural resource, and it has nothing whatever to do with running out of that resource. Production drops off in part because the producers cannot make any money when the price of the product is so low marginal cost exceeds marginal revenue.
Peak production is purely a matter of the market finding its equilibrium. Economy being lousy is reason less global demand for gasoline and oil so that means less oil taken out of ground for less demand…War use has also been lower than when bush begn iraq war etc…Folks cant buy gas unless has cash…No buying equals way less oil pupmping.
If uda halted all wars, military use would drop drastically too. If Tomorrow germany or france switched with usa to be cops of globe militarily? I never claimed that. I presented the data in a way that contrasts a single tiny field with the amount of oil it actually takes to keep this global economy running. I did that because that tiny play and others like are being hailed as saviors of the US economy. I listed 5 different regional peaks all of which preceded very tumultuous times.
My goal was to show that no matter what caused a peak to happen, bad times are sure to follow. Then I listed a 6th peak which is global in nature but concerns only conventional crude oil production.
I then listed several things that have gone wrong since then because they are directly related to that peak. In an economy that is almost completely reliant on oil, almost every political and economic issue is an energy issue at its core. Again peak oil has nothing to do with running out of a resource. It has everything to do with the production rate of that resource. See you understand peak oil quite well. The cheap stuff has peaked and is declining which means the price will go up from here.
If the price goes up too much it will destroy demand which destroys consumption which in turn destroys GDP. At the low price people will start consuming again and the price of oil will go up again and find stability for a while. The US is printing like a madman right now and the only reason it is working is because US oil production is rising. Once production from these last-ditch resources peaks and declines the US dollar will go pop.
This will more than likely be within the next few years. Of all the reasons to prepare for collapse your bias against fossil-fuel damning science is making you blind to the most important one.
First it is an estimate. Second it is a number attached to a resource, not a reserve. There is a huge difference which you should understand. Why is LP gas and gasoline so high now? Someone else with money must be buying, but what happens when they run out of money.
A few countries like India and Brazil are crying because the Fed is doing a bit of scaling back. Wait till we quit buying all the goods produced elsewhere, where will the money that other countries need come from, other than 0bama just giving it away? Europe is struggling and the Chinese with money are moving to Canada. I would agree with storing commodities and investing in land, but gold? If gold is so good, why are so many pushing gold to get your money?
Keep some cash for the deflation coming. History repeats, droughts, storms, cattle dying, no crops or produce, a perfect storm is brewing. This time when it all goes down it stays that way. Everyone and everything is going to go in to entropy until there is a balance struck with what limited recoverable resources remain. At one time in his country made a lifestyle substituting petroleum power for muscle power.
Now we are facing a substitution of muscle power for petroleum power. Fortunately we have a surplus of people. Those who serve as a usable source of power will be the ones who survive because they will be the ones worth feeding. If you are non-productive now you will be surplus then. When you are surplus, you die or learn to work. When you are learning to work, you need to seek guidance.
When you seek guidance, you can fall under the influence of politicians. When you fall under the influence of politicians you commit atrocities. I think there are many intelligent people on this site, and I would like to learn as much as I can from them. I plan on buying 2 of them with a nice battery block, but would like to know if anyone has had a good experience with what they have.
I just need enough power to run my new super energy efficient freezer and recharge my 12 volt lights, radios, laptop battery, etc. When you till you oxygenate and quickly burn the organic matter out of the soil. It makes it quickly available for plants for a season but quickly depletes the soil. Supposed nobody wanted to buy? Is there some that maybe think of looking for a flotation device while traveling on this Titanic……There is no certainty … can you dig it?
Silver I can go with. Most people that buy gold and silver in times like this are panicking. Someone with money is buying land because they are worried. And foreigners in Wi. Forget about a return on your money, preservation is the new game. In Southeast Missouri, land is going for per acre. About 20 miles out, there was acres for sale, has a river running through it, a couple of fresh water springs, several ponds, a beautiful house for , Cheap considering what a condo goes for in NYC.
Have you seen what Obuma and the Libs are doing to the coal industry. I wonder how many union miners and railroaders that haul that coal voted for this idiot. Why is the price of gas and LPG so high? Do they care that the little guy is being hurt?
And on top of this! The effing snow is killing me. Basstard, I know right where you live. Well not stalker exactly, but grew up in western ma and have been to Quabbin plenty of times. You have a pretty good area to hold up, water, fish, game. I have the best of both worlds. Happy prepping my friend!
We have a lot of Zombies around here but they will just lay down and die. I live real close to the Quabbin. Plenty of room to hide there. If we could put some of this snow in cold storage, maybe we could sell it as snowcones to the tourists at the cherry festival in July.
Fell asleep Barncat, sorry. I hope to lift a few scalps along the way, if not oh well. See you on the hill….. No one wants the reserve currency. You have to run a trade deficit when you have the reserve currency in order to keep enough of your currency in circulation and keep it stronger than the others. This is why the US. The real problem is with the monetary system itself.
Fractional reserve banking and excessive leverage. All paper in this fiat system is created by a loan with usury attached. It is a debt from the first dollar created on, and the loan plus usury can only be repaid by another loan. When the debt growth stops, the system collapses. We are at the limits to growth now. When it collapses…and it will within the next five years…all systems collapse worldwide. When they collapse and the supply lines break, the whole world that depends on them will starve.
Better get crackin and learn to grow your own food. Billions of unfunded liabilities will die. You cant grow your own food now in Spokane as the thieves strip everything bare. It is damn hard to grow stuff looking over your shoulder all the time. No security is perfect. However, I have a tall fence around my garden.
Also, we have plans to get a large dog, once we have the six foot fence extended around the rest of our property. Will put screws, bolts, whatever in cans and tie them around the perimeter fence. Noise starts, dog barks, I show with a 12 gauge. Will I shoot an unarmed man over some tomatoes? Will I make him crap his pants? However, I have a tall fence around my garden??? Where do you folks come from with these ideas?
Jay, you are correct on all counts. Please offer us the benefit our your wisdom and experience with some constructive, and realistic, advice. If you are going to suggest I shoot my neighbor who is getting in my garden, also please explain what I will do about his cousin who waits on the edge of my property with a scoped rifle the next day. Where I live, everyone has relatives nearby. Security of my little place has been something I have thought about, and that I really am open to suggestions about.
I lived in a metro area for years. Found out my neighbors, who were constantly in trouble with the law, were stealing my firewood when I saw their tracks in the snow from their house, to my firewood, and back to their house.
Everyone, except the occasional California transplants, is armed. I count on my neighbors to be my allies. Pyracantha bushes are wonderful as fences; tall, thick and thorny. We have one of the few gardens in our area and most people know about it as we share.
All I can offer is giving out free seeds and advice to your neighbors. I also planted over a dozen Rosa Rugosa which have large rose hips, full of Vitamin C. They are exceptionally thorny and would make a good inner fence. We have kero heaters and kero cooking stoves. I think a gallon of kerosene has the same amount of heat as a wheelbarrow full of firewood. You wouldnt get 2 wires clipped before the pitbulls rip your throat out. Bring a gun… the ak47 will be spraying you down for fertilizer.
Just because you dont have the guts to defend what is yours, doesnt mean other people wont defend thier stuff. If they want to get thru they probably will, but make them work for it! Roses and cacti are good choices. Not everyone who comes across them would realize they are edible. There are a lot of other crops that most people are unfamiliar with. I guess we should do some research. I just read an article about types of grain, etc.
I will return here if I do. I think it would be a good idea for all of us to figure out what we could grow on our property. I have a 6 foot privacy fence and lots of sun. Last year I planted a few tomatoes, radishes, etc in my back yard and regularly grow sprouts inside. This year I am going to do some more research to see what might work. Here are a few ideas I came up with that might work for some people. I am sure there are a lot more that we could discover. That was a good site that Loulou gave.
However, it is for Texas and the SW. I will have to research to see how many of those grow in Wyoming. Alfalfa is a perennial grass. Does alfalfa grow in texas? Mushrooms need wet and dark conditions.
Theyre not field grown that I know of. Just get mushrooms as a forage crop if they grow in texas or Grow mushrooms indoors.
Dandelions grow wild and are mostly thought of as weeds. Forage for them where they grow, maybe not texas. Pinion pine is a tree aint it? Wouldnt those be found in texas? Cattails grow in marshy pond areas. You got conditions for that? I see your other post and your in wyoming. Same rules apply for what conditions are in wyoming. Probably could get dandelions to grow since theyre best in early spring.
Get the seed and scatter in areas where grass grows. Forage greens in early spring. Roots are substitute coffee. Crowns are tender and a delicacy. During this period, people will be starving to death and many will kill for a can of dog food. Any food lying around outside, like your corn patch, will disappear. Either you will be killed for it, or you will fall asleep at night and wake to find it gone.
Unless you and your neighbors outnumber the raiders, there is no way to prevent this short of land mines around the fields. You got land mines?
The defenders have to be both more numerous and better armed than the raiders, or your garden will be useless. Because the average person has no idea what potato plants look like, and there is no obvious food growing to be seen. Plus, digging them by hand is hard work, and most thieves are in a hurry. If planted in an uneven pattern, a potential thief may not even guess you have a garden there.
Potato plants look like weeds. Everyone knows what corn looks like, and it is really easy to rip off a few ears and run. I think you could grow mushrooms in your basement.
No one would see them. You can get pine nuts from any type of pine tree that grows in your area. Some of the other suggestions I made cattails would not necessarily be good for Wyoming. You have to adapt to your own situation. However, mushrooms are not without food value. Though low in calories, they are high in B vitamins and essential minerals and they have some Vitamin C and even D.
In most parts of the country they would grow in a basement. But I was thinking when I originally suggested them, if they were growing outside your house, most people would be afraid to take a chance on them. As you say, Calgacus, they are low in calories.
Let the scavangers eat it. It will make them sick. It is good advice especially if you can get the old roses. They have that wonderful old world rose smell and their thorns are beyond compare! You cannot get past a thicket of them even if you bundled up on clothes because the thorns catch everything. The hips are huge and beautifully red in the fall for making rose hip syrup out of.
In one of the earlier segments, a prepper had bird feeders all over his property. The reason being is that the birds will make a commotion at any disturbance they are not familiar with. Hell…they are not even afraid of my dogs but the do know when a stranger is around. If the cost of seed is too much or troubling for you at the present then plant shrubs and trees that produce fruit that the birds like. I can tell ya one thing for sure,, When theres nothing else to eat that rice n beans will be just fine….
I have never been hungry. Man can live on a cup of rice a day. Might get pretty boring, but you can spice it up with free condemints from Taco Bell ect. Anything will mix with rice. Gonna be a whole lot of gone-ness when entitlements end. Remember when the glitch of a couple months ago happened? You can live trap rabbits with a cage and a trip wire. They make an excellent addition to your bean soup. Piles of dead corpses over a couple tomatoes, no thanks. And if you can shoot an 8 yo girl and still be able to ever sleep again you are a better man than I.
I once wrote an article for this site http: Children will be some of the most dangerous people. Let me help you. If not, maybe you could help. That said, per this area out in the country.. First I heard of this. Spent some time there in the past. Protect your neighborhood, not your house. I think you are right about a group being needed to provide security. That would only come about, though, if we were in a collapse se.
Sorry, in a collapse severe enough that people realized they had no choice but to come together to replace existing government structures, if that makes any sense at all. If the scenario is hungry people taking the food from the weak due to a distribution system that either does not work or is corrupt, folks are going to have to work together to cope with it.
My family is an island. Community gardens are more visible and known to more people. Theyre more prone to have food disappear or people hurt in desperate and hard times. Its good to grow foods in yards in plain site but not laid out like a regular backyard garden. Grow food in ways that arent like the rectangle gardens or boxed raised beds. Then scatter perennial foods around. Nothing growes all together in the same place and grow foods that arent commonly known like sunchokes or rhubarb or briar types of berries along the woods.
Some trees can be in the open areas of forests like pawpaw or hawthorn and walnut. Trees take years to produce but the dwarf fruit trees bear in a few years. Time to plant is approaching. Use fruit trees instead of landscape trees. Potatoes are one of the best crops but theres time and labor to get them.
Potato thieves would be seen before they got the taters. Grow food producing vines around the perimeter of your house. Squashes, cucumbers, beans, peas work.
Anyone planning to grow foods but not gardening now, good luck. Might be better to buy that 2 year food supply so you dont starve. Not a perfect answer but it helps- bulk alfalfa seed from lawn service sources. Sprout under grow lights for fresh greens and complex structures such as some vitamins and enzymes while eating stored food for bulk and protein, stored oil for fats. Not a perfect answer but it might help- bulk alfalfa from lawn service sources, sprout under grow lights for fresh greens with their complex phyto-structures.
Eat stored food for bulk and protein and stored oil for fats. No one is likely to live exclusively from a garden, it supplements stored or gathered food. Yeah but maybe not commercial grass seed. Also you dont need grow lights to sprout seeds, just a window light for best sprouts.
Sprouts are high in nutrients. Surprised preppers dont pay attention to sprouting more but oh well. Wheat berries to sprouts grow in 7 days or so. Save seed from your home grown crops and use for your fresh sprouts. Even if your plants accidently crossed and you dont want the seed for planting, use the seeds for sprouting.
Lettuce, spinach, radish, and more. Easy to grow, high food value. Eat raw or add to a quick fry at the last minute. Our local paper had an article on sprouting sunflower seeds.
I guess I was still thinking of the snowed-in, iced-up, grey-skies-with-no-sun-forever situation some are in now. Plus not wanting to set sprouts in the window where people could see them.
I am convinced the only way to come out the other side is to be able hunker down out of sight and off the radar until the bulk of the problem sorts itself out — year or two maybe. Short of having a dozen or more paramilitary defenders which creates an even bigger signature you cant defend it.
Better to have it look like a semi deserted junkyard with nothing of value within. If it looks like you have nothing of value your chances of getting raided just went way down. Anonymous, so true especially where fuel is concerned. Especially with the tax on it. I had a customer I went to not long ago to fix his heating system boiler. My prices have not changed since BTW , all the parts are made in China. The parts are crap. The equipment even if made in in the USA are crap.
Most are made in China. Good luck to everyone here…. I see no good coming from this. Good observation regarding the Triffen Dilema, fractional reserve lending and usury. It is the core problem. I could not have said it any better. All one can do is do the best they can withwhat ever they have. I work for a living and my wife and I are really trying real hard to prep for this SHTF problem that is coming our way. No shipping cost when you buy from a local guy.
Downside, though, is that if you live in a small town the dealer knows who is holding metal. That said, I like to buy from the local guy, too.
Wish I could buy more than I have with prices so low, but there are other priorities pulling on me. I expect it to shoot to the moon if we have a currency collapse.
Gold and silver are money. Dollars are debt instruments backed by the full faith and credit of the US government. Would you rather trust shiny metal in your hand, or an IOU from Obama? You pay a little more but you get a little more. Troy ounces weighes 12 grams U.
Keep it private so the feds will not know how much you have. A Troy ounce is just over 31 grams, Advoidupois is a little over 28 grams. Oh, well, such is the way it goes. I laughed all the way out of the Jewelry store, and sold the Gold a year before that. The items to stock up on now is buckets of long term food and water, Guns and plenty of ammo, and many types of fuels.
Its never again going to be this cheap. I will never trade a bucket of food for a gold coin. And if they try taking it, I shoot them and steal their gold and bury it in my back yard, and bury them far away.
Right on Reb, same here, When there is money it definitely isnt going to silver or gold or freeze dried stuff,, hell, most of the time its just barely enough to cover the bills! So gotta figure out your own way to do this. All anyone can do is, just do what you can and do it the best you can. That is all anyone can do. I do a little at a time, but I do a little every other day.
Sometimes I spend hours on it and there are times that I spend a few minutes on it. Just keep prepping It might surprise you how much you have already done and can do. How will this affect the takers?
Will they be better off? And should we stop working and join them? A group of desperate leeches is going to turn on itself in very short order.
That should answer your question. Also, look at the demo. Know what I mean? A banking system collapse will be a DEflationary event. This is not say that prices for everything will fall. Without a banking system to transfer money from commercial buyers and sellers, the logistic system that supports us will break down; many commodities will become extremely scarce. Food and fuel most of all. But prices for non-essentials will crater. Might as well go play a rigged game of blackjack.
We may see widespread supply chain disruptions. Shortages, rationing, or worse, GMO mono crop failure? I first decided not to read any news, having read plenty of depressing stories yesterday. We are a minority species, living in a thin zone on the surface of a ball of rock, metal and water, hurtling through a vacuum along with an assortment of dangerous flying objects, bathed in deadly radiation. A fickle, feeble magnetic field is our only shield against the radiation and the loss of our atmosphere to solar wind.
We build fragile homes on a violently mobile planetary crust that surfs a hot, glutinous mantle. Billions of years ago, the Earth and Moon were ripped apart by a huge impact, and then pounded into roundness by billions of flying rocks.
The impact theory of dinosaur extinction now has wide agreement. Forecasting their complex movements, even if we could find them all, is impossible. One the size of a house could destroy a small city, and would likely give no warning — invisible until it hit the atmosphere.
Supervolcano eruptions, six mass extinctions, tidal waves, earthquakes, and massive asteroid impacts. These are big things that could have wiped us out… but there is also the small stuff to sweat.
We are walking, talking, bags of bacteria — with ten times more bacterial cells than human cells in our bodies. We live in a sea of bacterial life that occupies more space and contains more biomass than all other living things combined. Bacteria live everywhere we have ever looked on Earth — in the hottest, coldest, most acidic, basic, and radioactive places.
What good fortune we have, that most bacteria are beneficial to us. And then, consider that we have also survived how humans have treated each other. We still herd into war, persecute minorities, encourage immigrants then decry immigrants, use religion to separate instead of unify, wave nuclear weapons like a firebrand in a lifeboat, and set poor examples for our children.
OK, OK… here is the positive part. We are somehow the inheritors of this beautiful, tumultuous planet, survivors of the remorseless culling of evolution and human folly. The odds against any one of us being here to enjoy this brief spot of time and place are incalculable. We have each other, music, food, love, and laughter. We have an unprecedented awareness of what, where, and when we are — and if we could have chosen, we might not have been able to pick a better time to be alive.
We are just grains of sand in an ocean of life… How insignificant we really are… I hope you do not take me wrong, but think of us as ants on a huge planet, and any thing that goes on must be preplanned, by GOD perhaps? I really wonder why we all have all survived to this point… I often wondered why we have survived this long, considering what has gone on in the past?
Could it all be preplanned? I have deeeeep thoughts on this all the time, and dreams of the future, but what is to become of us, just ants? Please post your thoughts…. There is something very special in every human being and that is why we are taught about the sanctity of life. I, too, love to gaze at the stars and look at pictures taken by the Hubble looking at other galaxies and wonder about our significance in this great Cosmos that we find our selves in.
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